In the classroom as a kid, Klitz never got his mouth taped shut, but it’s possible his teachers tried to deport him. Frankie tries to find the line between hard discipline and not aggravating a parent, which seems to be impossible to find. During the bulk of the podcast, Frankie stares at Klitz in bewilderment as Klitz reveals he doesn’t believe in ghosts or spirits. Not even Frankie’s personal experiences or his scary tarot card deck can move the Klitz’s position. Then they argue over food: Chicago’s Italian Beef vs. Philly’s Cheesesteak.